Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Kamikaz1 » Sat May 28, 2016 2:04 am

Is anyone tempted by the free weapon pack to buy a Buccaneer? I'm curious enough to see what CIG hands out that I melted my Reliant Kore and put the credits towards getting a LTI Buccaneer. Beyond being curious I also think the Buccaneer might be the light fighter hitting above it's weight that I had hoped the Gladius would be but never was. Also I have $25 worth of credits and a $5 Mining Coupon just sitting around so it was only $30 to get it.

As for the Reliant Kore if I'm honest with myself it was always destined to be melted for a Hull-A whenever the Hull-A became hangar ready since unlike the Reliant I can probably land one of those pretty easily on a Idris to drop off or pick up cargo/supplies. The fact that it folds up and can sit in a corner of the flight bay somewhere is a nice bonus. The final nail in the Kore's coffin was when they revealed on RTV that although Reliant variant owners wouldn't get a hangar ready Reliant Kore loaner when 2.4 goes live they would get one when it's flight ready and with the hangar soon being reduced to only one bay (if it stays like it is in the PTU) I'm far more likely to use that space to admire my Star-G than a Reliant.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Deliverence » Sat May 28, 2016 7:18 pm

It's a really nice ship that is decked out with a stronger weapons load out than other light fighters we've seen come before it and it looks like something straight out of Star Wars, which is a plus in my book. Being cheap to repair and able to take a hit she has so much going for it and the $10 voyager direct weapon is making this a very appealing sale. The ship looks a little too good to be true so I've picked it up and then melted the package this way I can restore it at a later date and at least get the poster and model minus the VD weapon if I change my mind.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Kamikaz1 » Mon May 30, 2016 4:58 am

That's not a bad idea. The Buccaneer does sound a bit too good to be true but I'm curious about that gun. For one thing it's not a $10 gun anymore. On RTV they said that it'll be a size 4 gun and all size 4 guns are at least $18. Subtract that from the price and the ship is pretty much the same price as a Gladius. Less if you happen to have a Mining Coupon laying around. Whatever we get I just hope it isn't a giant distortion cannon.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Deliverence » Mon May 30, 2016 8:09 am

I recently heard the same thing Kamikazi and it's making the ship sale all that more tempting as everything about this ship is just bloody awesome and now CIG are basically saying ow your actually getting an $18 weapon!

I originally purchased the Buccaneer with intent to hang on to it and was comparing it to other light fighters because it has such killer stats when I came across the Blade. The more I thought about it the more I wanted this ship instead as adding this ship would look great with the Scythe and Glaive all in the one hangar bay. That said $900 US tied up in 3 fighters feels a bit mental but they have become more of a collectors item to me now and something to simply take out to fly for the joy of it, like owning an old sports car. Being such an expensive fighter I had to comprise so I melted my Avenger as I felt it was lacking in combat capabilities and melted 2 piano packs that I had purchased during the Phoenix sale. I also had $30 in store credit as I melted my Sabre so I could grab the Prospector when it too went up for sale, since I've gotten used to keyboard/mouse I'm finding Super Hornet to be the superior fighter.

This all feels a bit crazy as I thought I was done buying ships, though I am trying not to keep my purchases to a minimum, hence melting some items/ships. That said I really do like the Buccaneer and knowing CIG are throwing in an $18 weapon is making this hard to resit, do I stay strong and pick one up in the verse or take advantage of the sale. That said I still have my backup plan which is to un-melt the ship at a later date if I decide I want it after the sale, however loosing out on an $18 weapon is really going to suck.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Kamikaz1 » Mon May 30, 2016 9:53 am

I can understand the pain of having so much money tied up in single seat fighters. My advice would be to get rid of one and replace it with the Buccaneer. If I had your lineup of ships 3 choices immediately look like contenders for the chopping block.

First the least likely to go but the one that would free up the most credits is the Scythe. In 'my' opinion the Glaive is just plain better in every way form and fashion and paying so much for a downgraded hangar queen isn't the best use of $300 that I can think of.

Second choice would be one of the either the M50 or 350R racers. Both are fine ships but the Blade will likely also feature racer quality speed (if not being the new fastest ship in the game) and is far more rare. Also as a racer if you want to remain competitive you're going to have to be constantly upgrading and tuning your ship with the best gear so LTI is far less valuable on one of those in that respect nor can I imagine racers being especially hard to find in the verse.

And finally the most likely candidate to be cut is the Gladius. I really really REALLY wanted to like the Gladius when it came out. It was supposed to be a 4 gun light fighter hitting above it's weight that could take on a Hornet. Sadly when it finally hit our hangars it was just another 3 gun ship like an Avenger or 325a but lacking an interior and only a bit faster. Also for some crazy reason it's nose mount last I checked was limited to a size 2 gimbal which couldn't be replaced with a fixed size 3 like the other 3 gun ships. Heck the Aurora LN and Mustang Delta had more guns than it for a much lower price. If there is a ship more deserving of being replaced by a 5-6 gun Buccaneer that comes with a free $18 weapon I don't know what it is. The Gladius I also believe will be the easiest to find and replace in the Verse not to mention that we'll be flying it in Squadron 42 anyways as our first ship.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Deliverence » Tue May 31, 2016 4:11 am

Perhaps it's my OCD but having the three Vanduul ships in the hangar just feels right as it fills out all the bays, so these are pretty much locked in despite the insane amount of money this has cost me. I'm too attached to the 350R to go ahead and melt it, perhaps because of the trailer that introduced the ship all those years ago as it was the first ship specific trailer we had seen from CIG. Maybe I'm an Origin fan boy as the M50 is another ship locked in with my intentions of housing this in my 890J and I don't mind the upgrade system, I plan on upgrading all my ships as much as I can.

I hadn't really thought of the Gladius as it's such a joy to fly, however your spot on with it's armament being pretty average. Going up against these ships is more of a nuisance than a threat and my intent to use it as an escort fighter now doesn't seem so wise as there will be deadlier ships that will tear it apart. I've decided to take your advice and melt the Gladius, but I've decided to fill the role of escort fighter with the Sabre instead of the Buccaneer. I already know I like how the Sabre flies, so I'm confident it will make for a great escort fighter and it'll be a definite step up over the Gladius. The downside now is I'll have to wait tell I can get another buy back token as I just used one to restore the Redeemer to CCU to the Blade.

Have you seen the Starfarer Gemini Kamikazi? Just want to get your thoughts on it, not sure which variant I like the most at the moment. I get that the Gemini is still undergoing work, but we already have a pretty good idea of how it's shaping up.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Kamikaz1 » Tue May 31, 2016 5:40 am

First why do you have to wait for a buyback? The sale is still going on. You can just melt the Gladius or CCU it to either the Buccaneer or another ship that's standalone and use the credit difference from melting the stand alone to just buy another Buccaneer outright. Then when the price eventually goes up you can use the Buccaneer you melted as a discount coupon if you unmelt it in the future.

As for the Starfarer Gemini I love it. I got to see it when they allowed subscribers into the PTU. The interior is pretty much the same with some repaints as far as I can tell. I'm sure they'll do some more work to it but I don't think the changes internally will be as drastic as some people want. I wouldn't expect to see any Aegis style hatches or such. They said on RTV that making such changes wouldn't be realistic. I think most of the changes will be external with the new engines and intakes. Also I believe the Star-G will have a slew of military grade components installed. And if that's all the changes they'll make I'll be more than content.

Honestly when they were talking about how the Star-G would lose cargo space and fuel capacity I couldn't figure out how they'd pull it off. The entire engine and gravity generator rooms would only fill a fraction of the cargo bay and short of mounting tanks with way heavier armor but smaller total capacity I couldn't see how they could justify cutting it's fuel capacity. I think this is going to be one of those situations where the 'nerfs' they wrote down on paper just won't fly with the the ship they built. Short of a 'major' redesign of the interior I don't see how they can cut down on the cargo bay and doing all of that work just to needlessly reduce cargo capacity is a waste of developer funds and effort when they can do what they've done with so many other ships and declare the Star-G is a straight combat upgrade of the Starfarer with better components. Just like the 325A is a upgrade to the 300i, the Super Hornet is a upgrade to the Civilian Hornet, the Aurora LN to the Aurora MR, Idris-M to the Idris-P etc.

As for the basic Starfarer even if the Star-G had less cargo and a shorter range with more powerful if not fuel efficient thrusters I'd still take the Star-G over the Starfarer every time. I'm not even certain the Star-G will be getting the larger max weapon sizes it was supposed to get if they allow it to carry more cargo. Honestly I wouldn't consider it a bad trade if the Star-G has max size 4s in the nose, size 2s in the rear and a size 5 up top in exchange for keeping the base Starfarer's cargo capacity. It'll make upgrading and repairs cheaper since both ships could share parts so availability should be higher.

That being said...the most likely way to balance the promise of the Star-G having larger guns is to nerf the base Starfarer's 'stock' weapons down a size. They might keep the size 2s in the rear stock and the maximum size would stay the same but I can easily see the cheek and top turret guns being nerfed down to size 3 or even size 2 since it's a civilian cargo ship. It's a bit silly that the stock Starfarer brings more gun mounted firepower than a Retaliator with 3 of it's 5 turrets totally outclassing the turrets on a military heavy bomber. In my opinion I think choosing the Starfarer over the Star-G will be like choosing a 300i over a 325A or a Taurus over a Andromeda.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Deliverence » Tue May 31, 2016 6:02 am

Melting the Gladius and using the funds to help cut some of the cost in getting my Sabre restored, hence the need for another buy back token. I checked and should be able to get this restored on July 1st so about a month away, which isn't bad.

Hmm good info on the Gemini, I've seen some videos on it and was trying to figure out if the extra dollars I spent on it was worth it. It sounds like it is and I do like the green paint they went with on the outside as it gives that military feel and it's makes it less obvious to threats.
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Kamikaz1 » Tue May 31, 2016 6:20 am

I'm also a fan of the olive drab paint job. Here's a link to a album I found on the forums that shows the two ships side by side: http://imgur.com/a/FbNSX

Of all the features on the Star-G I love what they did to the engines the most. I hope and pray that they keep that same engine style when they redo the Freelancer MIS and Reliant Tana. =)
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Re: Concept Art Sale (not actual sale)

Postby Deliverence » Tue May 31, 2016 6:40 am

Thanks Kamikazi that's a great collection of photos mate really appreciated.

I'm off home sick today and been spending some time on the RSI website and well I should probably stay clear of that place as I have a terrible habit of buying things. I decided to simply purchase my Sabre outright so she's back in my fleet and I'll use her to replace the Gladius as my escort fighter. This meant of course that I have no use for the Gladius so I melted it, only for $80 as I picked it up on the first sale when she was cheaper. I then used these funds and through in another $30 bucks and picked up the Buccaneer as there are just too many positives about this ship to pass it up.

Kamikazi I think CIG should be paying you a commission for all these upgrades of mine because I'm blaming you. :)
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